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Episode Summary: In this episode, host Tim Sweet and business stylist and image consultant Melanie Potro delve into the unique challenges women face in maintaining their careers during their 40s, 50s, and 60s. Noting that 66% of women cite family obligations as a reason for leaving the workforce and 40% believe menopause negatively impacts their careers, Melanie highlights the often-overlooked physical and emotional toll on women in these age groups. Through Tim’s coaching and Melanie’s style of guidance, women can gain the support and expertise they need to stay on top of their careers at any age.
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In this episode, host Tim Sweet and business stylist and image consultant Melanie Potro delve into the unique challenges women face in maintaining their careers during their 40s, 50s, and 60s. Noting that 66% of women cite family obligations as a reason for leaving the workforce and 40% believe menopause negatively impacts their careers, Melanie highlights the often-overlooked physical and emotional toll on women in these age groups. Tim and Melanie discuss the need for workplaces to foster open conversations and implement supportive policies, which can help reduce feelings of isolation and stress for affected women. The goal is to create a more compassionate workplace culture that enables women to thrive professionally through all life stages. Melanie also shares how her tailored styling services help women navigate these challenges by making them feel confident and professional. By offering personalized wardrobe solutions, she alleviates the stress of finding suitable clothing that fits and feels great, empowering women to focus on their careers with a renewed sense of self-assurance. Listeners are encouraged to explore their own feelings and relationships towards their style, their clothes, and circumstances to pre-emptively avoid career interruptions. Through Tim’s coaching and Melanie’s style of guidance, women can gain the support and expertise they need to stay on top of their careers at any age. About Melanie Potro Melanie Potro is a Business Stylist who helps leaders develop a signature style that aligns with their personal brand and goals. With over 30 years of experience, she has worked with influential individuals in the UK and abroad, helping them improve their appearance and confidence as leaders. Resources Contact Tim Sweet | Team Work Excellence: Contact Melanie Potro | MP Business Styling:
Transcript: Melanie 00:00 It's a great chance to redefine who you are and how you want to feel about yourself, what kind of vibe you want to give to others. And I think a lot of women come out as well a lot more confident once they're through this. And there's also another thing that a lot of people don't talk about is that once the brain fog lifts. However, like some people are more affected than others, the brain builds a lot of new connections, and this is so interesting because you really see a lot of things clearer. You're probably a better strategic thinker, so you're also a great addition to any workforce, and you are more capable than ever before. Tim 00:42 I'd like to ask you some questions. Do you consider yourself the kind of person that gets things done? Are you able to take a vision and transform that into action? Are you able to align others towards that vision and get them moving to create something truly remarkable? If any of these describe you, then you, my friend are a leader, and this show is all about and all for you. I'm Tim Sweet, and I'd like to welcome you to Episode 44 of the Sweet on Leadership podcast. Welcome back to Sweet on Leadership. Thank you very much for joining me today. I am very pleased to welcome a good friend for a return visit. This is Melanie Potro. Melanie, thanks again for being here. It's awesome. You are a style guru. You've got lots of clients that are in both the business and the political space, as well as other professions. We've been chatting. You've helped me in the past, which has just been so much fun and so enlightening. But what I want people to know most about you is that you're all about empowering women. So when we were talking earlier this month, we ran across a couple of issues that I thought were so important that we bring to the table. I want people to know all about you, because I'm excited to know you, and I just think that you know sky's the limit right now. So what have I missed? What would you like people to know about you before we get rolling here? Melanie 02:09 As you said beforehand, I'm a personal stylist, but I really call myself a business stylist and image consultant, and I work to 95% with women, and I'm really passionate about getting more women into the boardroom, so. Tim 02:28 Well, you and me both, so I think that's a great place to start. And one of the subjects that we've been talking about the last couple of weeks was what doesn't just get them in the boardroom, but what can keep them in the boardroom? What doesn't just get them to the apex of their career, but what can keep them there? Because, as we talked about it, we both have this observation where at a certain age range there's this kind of disturbing trend that people have a career disruption. And so, you know, today we're going to come on, we're going to talk a little bit about that disruption. And some of the common things that can cause it, and what we can really do about it. And so thanks again for for being here. Melanie 03:09 Yeah, I'm excited to talk about this as well. Tim 03:14 Awesome. What are some of the things that brought this to your mind when we had that conversation a couple weeks back? What's been going on in your life that has brought this front and center? Melanie 03:22 I have a lot of women who are in executive positions, and as you said, as well, at a certain time in your life, there are several factors that can hit you, such as illness, maybe the death of a loved one, parent, probably as well. A lot of us have experienced that by now, or some illness of their parents, and then also your own physical changes. And this is something we're going to talk about today, right? Tim 03:51 It’s not a small portion of the population that experiences this. It's literally every, Melanie 03:57 Every woman, every woman. Tim 04:01 Yeah, well, that's, that's okay. Fair enough. Fair challenge. 100%. Well, one of the the stats that I ran across out of a US Bureau of Labor and Statistics was that 66% of women who left the workforce, especially during these periods, cited that it was actually family reasons, family responsibilities and pressures that took them out of the workforce. And at the same time, New York Post reported that 40% of women believe that menopause will be or is a disadvantage at work, and they feel that it harms them in terms of their health, obviously, but also in terms of mental acuity, mobility, and a bunch of other reasons. So all of these things combine, at times, into this perfect storm, and can result in people leaving, resulting in attrition. So would those stats seem relevant to you? Seem accurate? Melanie 05:00 Yeah, definitely. I think a lot of women see a very negative impact of menopause because they don't really get the space to maybe retreat when they're not feeling well or find a medical advice and help. This is happening. More and more people are talking about this. There's a lot more help out there now, especially here in the UK as well, the NHS has responded recently, offering HRT to all women who hit menopause, but also the fact that it affects women who are actually also younger than 45 sometimes, you know, a lot of women are not aware. And also like just really talking about it and making your environment aware of the effects that it has, so that people can be considerate in those situations where you feel uncomfortable because of some of the physical changes that affect you, such as getting hot or cold, or some people experience anxiety suddenly or brain fog. But I think there are also some positive things you can talk about, and we can talk about that later as well. Tim 06:08 Sure, we're going to dive deep on on all of these before we do, though I shouldn't forget to ask you, from a an emotional perspective, why is it important that we tackle this today for you, what really has you in the ring here with me? Melanie 06:25 Okay, so I think women around 45 to 55 they really should be at the top of their career, and they're going up the ladder, working hard to enter their executive positions, or the next step on their career ladder, or the boardroom, and then suddenly something like menopause or the death of your parent hits you and you feel all alone, and it rattles your confidence, and it really throws you and distorts your career path, or you might even, as you said, want to leave your career and I think I want to help women to stay on their path and not be distracted, and, you know, support them as best as I can. Tim 07:17 That is a real, as we said, it's a perfect storm that can hit people. And it really is a shame when we see it happen, and you've seen it happen quite a bit on your clients. Melanie 07:28 Yes, definitely you have also illnesses coming up, something like cancer affecting women. And I had some very smart clients who have been really affected. And I just think like these are women, like they're so so capable and so good at what they're doing, and I want them to succeed, and I don't want their physical appearance or what they go through with menopause to affect them, and I know I'm in a position that I can help them in many ways. I'm a body expert. I've worked with clothes. I know how to make people feel comfortable in their own clothes, not only from their parents, but also from the wearer's perspective. And so I think that's where I come in, and I can do my bit to help them. Push them up. Tim 08:23 That’s important. Thanks very much for sharing. I mean, that's great. Okay, so if you were to say, when we think about this time that many women face, all women face, and that it can deplete their capacity to deal with other life events that can be equally as challenging, but then it's like insult added to injury. In a sense, we've talked about leaving the workforce or something like that, but either before that risk or after that risk. What are the risks that this can mean if we if we let this go unaddressed, if we fail to deal with it proactively. Melanie 09:03 A lot of people can go into a depression or become extremely anxious. And yeah, I think the depression comes as well, like if you retreat, you know, like you avoid contact, you're not talking about it, you don't feel like yourself in your own skin anymore. And this is not a good place to be. So this can really hold you back. Tim 09:24 And that would be one more thing that would contribute to this, you know, this amplified or problem, you know, we're just layering on things. And it's, it's like, it's like it feeds itself, in a sense, the, you know, despair feeds despair. And so this is a real risk. Melanie 09:40 Like a downward spiral, really. Tim 09:43 Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, we see this like I remember a 2021 study, again, said that women are far more likely than men to experience burnout in that age range, the incident is almost 30% higher than men. There is real contributing factors that people have to deal with. And as you say, what can we do to shore each other up? So what do you hope for them? We're going to talk a little bit about the how, but you want them to avoid that depression. What else? What else would you like to help? Melanie 10:18 Well, I can help them simplify their lives. If someone is an expert and at the top of their career, they have a lot of things to deal with, and this is one part of the overload that I can take away. They can outsource to an expert who can deal with it, so they don't have to worry about what to wear, to find clothes that fit, to see how an outfit goes together and what makes them feel comfortable and what gives the right impression as well to others. Tim 10:50 Yeah, tell me more about that when we think about this time of life, and I'll give you a little bit about what my experience has been with it. You know, I've got say over 70% of my clients are women, and been there when we're going through menopause and when we're going through other crises that they're going through. And there's that saying, you know, never waste a good crisis, because I've also seen that by restructuring and reframing and using this incredibly plastic state, this disruption as a chance to say, you know, the game has changed, or the rules have changed, but it's a chance to reset the board. It's a chance to say, you know, oh, who do I want to be as I go through the next half of my life. Who do I want to be as I, as I, as I, sort of progress forward. And so it's this, like, it's this transformational opportunity that, on one hand is is unavoidable, but the next hand, it's like, it's wonderful because you you can't avoid the shake up. Melanie 11:57 It's a great chance, exactly, it's a great chance to redefine who you are and how you want to feel about yourself, what kind of vibe you want to give to others. And I think a lot of women come out as well a lot more confident once they're through this. And there's also another thing that a lot of people don't talk about is that once the brain fog lifts, however, like some people are more affected than others, the brain builds a lot of new connections. And this is so interesting because you really see a lot of things clearer. You're probably a better strategic thinker, so you're also a great addition to any workforce, and you are more capable than ever before. Tim 12:46 We see that now because we're seeing such great examples of very inspiring women in highly influential, powerful positions. So tell me about the role of of personal style, when, when we're facing this chance to reinvent ourselves. You know, we can work on what our career is doing. It can work on our approach to relationships. We can work on our psychological well being. Where does Style and Image and everything factor? Melanie 13:17 So I think the trigger is often that a lot of women, I think at least 30 to 50% of women, struggle to find clothes that fit them when they go shopping. And this doesn't get better when you hit menopause, because we all know with time, our bodies change. But then there comes some more changes when we are around a certain age. Some people have that earlier than later, but our bodies change, and we have these images that we need to be perfect and look like 20 year old women, which doesn't really happen. Nobody does look like the women in in the in the movies or in advertising. Anyway, we're also individual. But then obviously, a lot of women like put on weight around the waist and so on. They have physical changes, and this needs to be addressed, because clothes don't fit anymore, and you have to address this as a matter of fact, normally. Tim 14:19 After you and I talked last week, I had a long conversation with my wife, and I asked her, I said, I've always assumed that she liked shopping. She's a great shopper to go out, and it is a form of entertainment, I said, but do you enjoy shopping for yourself? And she's like I did, and now I don't. And she said, it's actually really tough because you see these styles that you want to wear, but they're all designed around a certain age and a certain and fairly Junior and at a certain size, which is fairly slight. And clothes in general are not constructed for women once they do go through a size change. Melanie 15:01 Exactly. This is a big problem. Tim 15:04 Yeah, it's not front of the rack. And so she says, you spend a lot of time in the store feeling terrible because you you think something's cute on the rack. You bring it down, you try it on, and you end up feeling terrible about yourself. Melanie 15:18 Yeah, and you feel inadequate. You think you blame yourself for this, not the clothing. So that is also something that is experienced very often, isn't it? Like you think, like, oh, there's something wrong with my body. No, the clothes are cut in the wrong way. Tim 15:33 And when we think about trying to accomplish anything, whether it's in your job or it's in your home life, I mean, if you're already feeling at risk, and then you so let's say we want to go do something. We want to address your style or your wardrobe or something, and it's a terrible experience. If you're already facing an energy depletion because you're going through a hormonal change, or you're dealing with some emotional things or some illness, and then you got to go and feel crappy about yourself on top of all of that? Well, it's like, it's just, you know, more drains on the battery. And so from Jen's point, she was just like, oh, well, the other thing she said is that it doesn't just happen in the store, because then she makes choices and she comes home and she may never wear something. Do you ever see something like that happen? Melanie 16:19 Yes, I mean, we've all been there. We go to a store, and then the sales assistant tells us, Oh, you look wonderful, and you look great, and this looks amazing. And you buy it because you feel good about yourself. You think, like, I have this really nice piece, and I look amazing. And then you put it on when you're at home, you think, like, oh, right, this doesn't really look as good as I thought. It doesn't really work with the other pieces that I have in my wardrobe. These are all considerations. This is something I'm never going to wear again, and it's just not right. So you want to, like, avoid these situations. And it's really easy to get there, because sometimes sales assistants are so nice, and you feel almost obliged to maybe at some point give in after you tried on the third piece and we don't feel right. Tim 17:07 Well, I feel not just feel, not just feel emotionally, Jen, Jen had also said to me that, you know, often you want to wear something because it's cute, and so you make it work in the store. And she says, no end of mutual experience among her and her friends of where they they don't feel good by the end of the day because a piece of clothing is too tight, or it's too constricting in one part of it's just uncomfortable. She puts up with it, but then actually feels quite terrible at the end of the day, like, physically, my stomach hurts, or my, you know, whatever it's, it's, it wasn't a great choice. Putting yourself in a physical in physical discomfort, to try to fill some sort of emotional need or or gap. What would you suggest then? What's, what's some of the things that you teach people to build confidence and build a wardrobe that works? Melanie 18:16 There are obviously different levels. But when it comes to the clothes themselves, I have a tailoring background, and I still have also a team of people who can make clothes. So there are different avenues we go through. And I'm also a member of the Harvey Nichols - Stylist Styling Club, which is like a big department store. So normally we go and we make this a much more fun experience. So we pull the clothes before the client comes there, we have a big room and space to try and close and really see if they're fit, if they work well, if they feel comfortable. And I'm able then also to say and judge whether we can alter pieces to make them fit better, not only in making them tighter or shorten them, but really like adjusting them to their proportions, and that is something that you wouldn't normally be able to get that service to understand, really, how this can fit. And then also we can make clothes for our clients that fit their frame, their body shape 100% and I think that's something unique. And people underestimate how good it feels to have something that feels really like a second skin, because you don't really find something on the high street that fits you ever 100% because we're not a standard figure ever. Tim 19:36 Sounds good. So now I have this picture of you. Make sure I've got this right. So you you actually, you and your team would pre choose clothing for people, knowing what their sizes are, cutting down on the amount of choices so that they don't have to spend their time being disappointed and then delivering the, I guess, the hope or the potential. That, yeah, you know what? We're gonna buy it in this size so that we can tailor it down to your specific thing, so it fits perfect, and it's comfortable and it's functional and it's and it's all of these things. So that becomes a much more positive experience and much less onerous. And kind of sounds like, I kind of want to do it now. It kind of sounds like a day at the spa or something like it almost sounds you have a bridal couture line that you ran for years, and it sounds like what, as a man I would think of trying on wedding dresses, kind of thing, but repeated at the same sort of, is it same? Is the vibe the same? Melanie 20:40 Yeah, the vibe is the same. So we do really half a day or most of the day out. So we start with some boutiques, then go to the department store, try on some things, and have a nice lunch. And make this a really fun, enjoyable experience, something that my clients can get excited about. And especially, for example, some people have maybe petite everything is always too long. And that is not just the trouser length, but maybe the sleeve lengths or the shoulders are always too long. And if you then get the opportunity to get something that's tailored to you, because my dressmaker comes, and all just the clothes that they really fit. They're almost like something that's made to measure, made to their frame. This is such a fun and empowering experience to have something that really fits you and feels like you, and something to be excited about. To wear clothes that really are aligned with you, that convey who you are, convey authority and confidence as well. But, yeah, it's something to be excited about and enjoy. Tim 21:49 If I'm going to be a proxy for for somebody listening, I might say, you know, suddenly this sounds really expensive. Mel, like, this sounds like, like, I gotta pay somebody to do this, I'm adding overhead onto my clothing purchases. Is that? How people should think about it? Melanie 22:07 It's a really good investment, because if you're at that executive level, you want to avoid buying clothes that are not right, as you said, even about your wife, you end up buying something that you're not going to wear. So you avoid all these clothing choices that are not going to serve you in any way, that drag you down, that are wrong, that you can't return, and instead, you really narrow it down to the clothes that you will wear that fit you and make you feel good. And this is also emotional baggage that you reduce, and also the overload choosing in the morning, oh what am I going to wear, how I'm going to look, and also giving a good impression, you know, it's going to help you to step up the career ladder, knowing that you look good and you feel good in your clothes. Tim 22:57 Yeah. So we're talking about everything from personal power to the amount of sleep you can get, because, you know, it's not going to take forever to to choose an outfit to I mean, and this is something that I've, I've seen time and time again, not just in my house, but in general, when we're doing collections for charity or anything like that, clothing that still has the tag on it that people bought and and bring it home and never wear it. You know, the Maria condo thing, where it's, it's, you know, clothing that just does not make you feel good. And there's got to be a so if we add up all of those direct and indirect costs, they add up pretty quick. Not only is the direct wasted purchases. But then we've got all the wasted time of getting ready in the morning. We've got all the wasted energy of feeling crappier than we should do. We cut down our career potential and pathways because we're we're not showing up being as confident or as mindful as we could be in the moment, we're not, perhaps as influential or as effective as we might want to be, because part of it is first impressions with others and all of those things. And then there's the wider issue that we're talking about right now, which is that energy can not only go towards our career, but to supplement the energy draws that illness might take or looking after parents or kids or or going through a hormonal change, or whatever divorce or whatever else we're dealing with, we haven't started the day on the back foot or moving ahead. I love that. I think that's great. Tell me a little bit about the first thing that you think a person should do. Now, they've hopefully, they've listened. They're now inspired to step it up a notch, even the men listening, which I sure hope there are. What's the first thing they can do, or what's the first few steps? Melanie 24:52 Being really honest with yourself and admitting or like seeing that this needs to be addressed, or this is a, maybe a problem that's holding you back, whether that is something that you think you're looking dated and you're not in line with the times, or if comfortable, and yeah, it could be holding you really back. So I think being really honest with yourself and seeing that this needs to be addressed, and also maybe thinking about how you want to be perceived as a person and how you want to feel about yourself. And I think sometimes, especially women who are already in executive positions or on a higher position, they become a bit defensive when it goes, comes to clothing, they see it as a weakness that they can't deal with their own wardrobe, because they are high achievers. They're so on top of the game. Exactly. They should just like be able to address this as well and deal with it. But this is something that can easily outsource to an expert, and you can't be good at everything. So this is something that sometimes people have to address that are high achievers. And they think like, yeah, really, I should be able to deal with it. Because sometimes women are made to think it's all so easy. You know, look, I just put on this outfit, I just put on this blazer, I look good in it, and then people end up copying an influencer or someone like that, and are surprised when it doesn't work. Tim 26:29 Yeah, it doesn't fit, or it doesn't doesn't fit physically, or doesn't fit emotionally, or doesn't fit personality wise, or the image. Yeah, I think also it's very interesting, because I've seen the work that you've done. And you know, although you focus on women in the workplace and you focus on executives and politicians, you also advise how their sports attire looks, how their casual attire looks. I love that post that you put out a few weeks ago on with jeans and a blazer and all these kind of things. And my wife and she was, like, awesome. And my, I mean, the other, the other reason that I've, I've leaned into this a little bit, as you know, is that my daughter is very now interested in moving into the fashion industry and whatnot. But even picking out holiday wear and swimsuits, that can all be something that you lean into. Because as I you know, as I help teams and leaders lean into their strengths and be fluent in their weaknesses, we also know that not everybody can sing a tune and not everybody can cook with balance and do well, yeah, I mean, but everybody has strengths and everybody has weaknesses and and for some people, they're they just don't have an eye necessarily for fashion. They may not actually understand how they come across. And so having an extra set of eyes can be really helpful, and it can I imagine even like packing for a vacation, and knowing that you're happy with everything that's in your limited wardrobe is just such an empowering thing. And I mean, and I don't think it's just for women, as you say, you got 5% of your clientele are men, and I've been through this experience with you, albeit in a remote way, but it was enlightening, like I never had any idea about.. Melanie 28:18 Finding your patterns. Tim 28:20 Contrast and patterns, yeah I mean, it just, it's honestly guided so much of what I've now chosen to invest in, right? So, Melanie 28:29 Like a filter, I think, as well, like, because once you understand the colors and the contrast and the patterns that work for you, then you can just go into a shop and say, I can cut out all the noise. Tim 28:45 Exactly for sure. Okay,awesome on that point, though. Let me just ask you one, one thing here before we because I think you've done a great job, both of us. We want to be there for women in these positions as they're going through. I don't want to have anybody who's high potential struggle to the point where they leave behind something they really want to do because of other circumstances. Yes, change happens, and yes, it might need to happen, but they shouldn't change under duress or, you know, because because of something that's preventable, especially if it's causing their own brain to lie at them in their own voice, then that's something that I don't want to I don't want to be party to. Want to stand up against. Melanie 29:25 Yes, and you work with a lot of women, don't you? So you work with a lot of executive leaders. Tim 29:30 Yeah. But for the other for the men listening here, what would be your hope for the men? Melanie 29:35 So with regards to women hitting menopause, I really like them to be a lot more open about the effects that it can have, how it can really affect their mothers, their wives, their sisters, their work colleagues, and give them some space to talk about it without judgment. Maybe read up about. It, and also look into their company culture, if they can improve access to things that would make life easier for women. So I think it's just being open about it and ready to talk about it, and not sidelining women who are affected by it so and to take it seriously, as you said, it's a, it's a chemical thing that is happening to us and and sometimes I've seen women who have been really at the pinnacle of the career, very confident, and they've just suddenly been hit by anxiety, things like that out of nowhere. And these are things that can happen, and so they need to be addressed, but also that there has an understanding from the other side that this can happen. It doesn't have to happen. And I think there's a lot more help now out there. And, you know, women go through it and come out stronger, but so that there's a little bit of an academic understanding as well what's really happening there a scientific one. Tim 31:03 You know, as men, we have a real responsibility to not stigmatize things and to normalize the conversation and and to not enter these things with misconceptions about what it means or it doesn't mean, but it is a perspective and an experience we will never have, and so not in the same way. I mean, there are some changes for sure that men go through, so then we have to educate ourselves, and we have to lead with empathy. Okay, we didn't get to a couple of things early on in the conversation. So first of all, I want to thank you for taking us through that journey, and we're going to just begin to wrap up here. So I've got a couple of of things. One thing that we do as a tradition here is that our previous guest had lobbed a question. This was from Seeham Cyrene. Seeham Cyrene wanted me to ask the next guest… Sehaam 31:59 Who or what anchors you when you're having a tough time, and if they feel comfortable sharing how that will be wonderful. It could be a person, it could be a writer. It could be an actor, depending on what your profession is, right? It might be someone in your industry. Might be a family member, someone living, or they might be a historical someone who's just influenced you so much that you kind of go back to again and again. Melanie 32:28 Okay, so I think I really have family and friends who I would talk to when I hit a really tough time, especially the best friends to have a good chat about things. And Tim 32:42 Would it be a best friend that you talk to? Melanie 32:46 Yeah, definitely. Best friend I talk to and lean into. It depends on what experience is it. So who I'm gonna speak then to all my sister as well, who's just been visiting me, and I also lean into myself. And whilst I'm not religious person, I as a half Indian person I have some spirituality. I used to do Indian dance as well, and for me, Ganesha is the remover of obstacles. And so I do a little prayer dance, prayer with Ganesha in mind. Melanie 33:29 Wow, I'm learning all sorts of things. What a great question from Seeham. I love that. Thank you so much, man. We should really ask this question more from people. Okay, now there's a flip side. What is a question you would want to lob at our next guest. Melanie 33:44 What was the trigger for that person that made him or her go onto that path? Tim 33:55 Okay, so what was the trigger that made them choose their career path? Melanie 33:58 Yeah, their career path, yeah. Tim 34:00 Okay, yeah, got it. I will ask, okay, that's excellent. How can people get in touch with you? Melanie 34:08 So they can connect with me on LinkedIn. But I'm also really excited because I have a very special free executive style guide that they can download here. Sweet on Wardrobe. Tim 34:21 What, you mean you designed it for our listeners. Melanie 34:23 Yes. Tim 34:24 Okay, right on excellent. Melanie 34:25 And you will have the link in the shownotes. Tim 34:30 I sure can, yeah, I will. I will post the link in the shownotes. Melanie 34:33 Also, they can also book a free call just to find out maybe if my service is for them, either virtually or in person. And they can do this also through the link or through my LinkedIn profile. I also have a website which is MPbusinessstyling.com and they can get in touch with me there. Tim 34:53 We'll put all of those links in the show notes. So. Melanie 34:55 Excellent. Thank you. Tim 34:57 Hey, no, that's great. Hey, that's really something that you put that together for us. I appreciate it. Melanie 35:03 Well, I'm very pleased to be here. Tim 35:05 No, I'm just, excellent. Well, I'm excited for all of those things that are happening. I'm sure there's lots we can look forward to, and I know that you've got good things on the go for next year. Melanie 35:17 Yes, very exciting. Some training courses as well for companies. And, yeah, there's a lot coming up. Tim 35:26 I'll put your Instagram in because even I love watching what's coming through, and I know that my my wife and and other women that are really important in my life are are following you as well. So we'll, we'll put those touch points in because you're producing some really, really informative stuff that's immediately helpful. Melanie 35:46 Amazing. Thank you. Tim 35:47 Wow. Mel, thank you so much for spending this time with me. It was a really interesting idea that you had for for us approaching this issue, and I'm so glad that we connected on it. And I just, I'm really interested in hearing what people's reactions are going to be. Melanie 36:05 Yeah, I'm interested as well. And thank you so much for inviting me to talk about this, also as a man and husband and son of a mum who's gone through this, probably at some point, and also having so many clients who are going through these similar changes. Tim 36:24 It’s as normal as normal can be. And we need to treat it that way. Melanie 36:30 Exactly. Tim 36:31 So hey, Big hugs from the side of the pond. Can't wait till we can get over to London and see you in person sometime soon. Melanie 36:35 Yeah, definitely, that would be awesome. Okay. Tim 36:38 Thank you so much for listening to Sweet on Leadership. If you found today's podcast valuable, consider visiting our website and signing up for the companion newsletter. You can find the link in the show notes. If, like us, you think it's important to bring new ideas and skills into the practice of leadership, please give us a positive rating and review on Apple podcasts, this helps us spread the word to other committed leaders, and you can spread the word too by sharing this with your friends, teams and colleagues. Thanks again for listening, and be sure to tune in in two weeks time for another episode of Sweet on Leadership. In the meantime, I'm your host. Tim Sweet encouraging you to keep on leading. Comments are closed.
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